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Tihamer Toth-Fejel's avatar

A brilliant analysis. My only nitpick would be that Mongoose forgot C.S. Lewis' "The Great Divorce" and "Screwtape Letters".

David Brin is a great writer with absolutely great ideas, even if or when he is wrong. From the synopsis, it appears that he has added significantly to the canon of great literature about hell. I hope someone posts the play on YouTube!

Unfortunately, the biggest problem with the hell canon is that it is not logical--if you accept the foundational ideas of the Bible: That God is Truth, that God is Love, and that God is Existence. Add to these premises the idea that while God is omniscient, hell is one place that He is not. That means that Hell is infinitesimally small (Lewis points that out quite clearly). It also means that there is no love or truth in hell. That is why one of Satan’s titles is “Father of Lies” (Scott Peck makes that clear in his fascinating best-seller, “People of the Lie” Note: Peck did not believe in the Devil until he witnessed two exorcisms).

If God loves you, but you don't really like him, then what is He supposed to do with you when you die? He can’t bring you to heaven – that would be agony for you to be exposed to Him in all his glory. So, he sends you to the one place he does not exist. Doesn’t sound bad, does it? Except that it has no love and no truth, and almost no existence. That may not sound *that* bad, but that is because you’ve never experienced it. You have no freaking idea how bad it is. If you experience for one second, then you will be frozen in horror. You will *much* prefer to be thrown in a lake of fire—just to distract you a little from the vast hollowness of knowing with certainty that you were never loved, that you never loved anyone, and that love never existed anywhere.

As far as explaining why Satan hates humanity, I’m surprised that few authors provide believable motives. But pretend that you were the most beautiful, powerful, intelligent, purely spiritual, and immortal being in this universe. Then the guy who created you tells you that you will need to obey these massively stupid little bags of sh*t that crawled out of the mud. I’m not surprised that he rebelled.

Of course, if you don’t think that the Bible correctly characterizes the God who fine-tuned the Big Bang in order for us to exist… well, (other than having to explain the improbability of our existence) you can truthfully say that false premises always result in nonsense. But if you don’t believe in the Bible, then why believe in hell, other than a silly story? In that case, I’d be like Ray Kurzweil, who is working hard on life extension, trying to get to escape velocity. Will the Singularity hit by 2035? If I was any older, I’d be praying like hell that it gets here fast.

Patrick R's avatar

Suit yourself. I don't see it as a No True Scotsman. The Mongoose and I have an ongoing conversation on the subject, as suggested by the shout-out he gave me in the text. Because of that, I felt appropriate to defend the kid's possible intentions, rather than to immediately discount him as a naive, defiant troublemaker.

Maybe that's all he is, though. But you know what? He's fictitious, so all he is will be whatever the Mongoose wants him to be.

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